One License takes over from Calamus

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by alan29 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:41 pm

Easier to stick to hymn books.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by mcb » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:54 am

justMary wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:45 am
The fee needs to be viewed in perspective. Yes, it is trebling. But it's still very low - about £3 per week in the case quoted.
Actually I don't think it is trebling. I think Nick was looking at the US rates, in dollars and then mentally converting to pounds (Baty, pers. comm. :) ) If you go here and make sure it's showing UK at the top of the page (there's a drop down menu to set it), the UK prices show, and the rate for a congregation of up to 100 is £105 per year. I think that's still a little over double what is was with Calamus, but I'd second justMary's view that this isn't extortionate.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by mcb » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:54 am

alan29 wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:41 pm
Easier to stick to hymn books.
Terrible idea, IMHO.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by High Peak » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:32 pm

alan29 wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:41 pm
Easier to stick to hymn books.
Easier, but very limiting. I am presently pushing for a switch from hymnals.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:58 pm

justMary wrote:Nick - did you receive an announcement from Decani about this?
Yes, I received a letter last weekend.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:59 pm

alan29 wrote:Easier to stick to hymn books.
That would seriously limit the repertoire. And you'd have to announce everything, telling people which verses to sing.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:00 pm

mcb wrote:Actually I don't think it is trebling. I think Nick was looking at the US rates, in dollars and then mentally converting to pounds
Not mentally – I'm not that bright – but I was looking at the wrong figure. Yes, it's double the cost but, amazingly, the PP said, "Oh, it's only a couple of quid a week."

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:20 pm

Several weeks on, I'm getting to grips with One License. As a parish musician, I would say it's much easier to report usage as this can be done online on a weekly basis. Yes, the cost is going up – from £45 to £105, which is quite a hike for us. However, I'm reliably informed that part of the reason for this is that Calamus hasn't raised its prices for a while.

There's a small problem around the billing period: One License start on 01 July but our licence with Calamus runs up to the end of August. Hopefully a couple of emails will sort this.

As a (very small) publisher, it was easy to upload titles: You just paste them into a predefined spreadsheet and then upload in one go.

I believe Southern Comfort knows a little more about One License. Perhaps he could update us.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by VML » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:13 pm

My parish has just received an invoice from CCLI for £566.71 for our annual licence.
This would cover:
Church copyright licence £222
Music Reproduction Licence £111
PPL Church Licence £117.49
PRS for Music, Church Licence. £116.22

I know we now project our music on screens, and a certain amount of music used is the Christian Worship Song genre, but this seems excessive.
Any ideas?

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:44 pm

Do you really need PPL and PRS?

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by VML » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:37 pm

I've been looking for an answer. I don't think we do, especially as PPL say they don't charge for funerals and weddings. And anyway their annual fee is lower than that charged for going through CCLI. I think the matter arrises when we have fundraiser concerts by a local Steiner school for Chernobyl Children's Holiday Assoc. We did also have one 'commercial' concert 3 years ago, as the singer in question charged for tickets, used film and backing tracks and was quite prominent though she had been to 'our' high school. That is all we have had in that line.

I think we can bring it down considerably. This was thrown at me yesterday afternoon and I only looked at it tonight.
The only recorded music we use is when demanded for weddings and funerals and occasionally during penitential services.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by Nick Baty » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:56 pm

I'd be tempted to look at the fund-raisers separately. If it's a charitable event, most copyright holders will grant permission gratis. Friend of mine recently had a very nice letter from Paul McCartney, giving permission for some of his stuff to be performed and recorded by a Singing For The Brain group.

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Re: One License takes over from Calamus

Post by VML » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:24 pm

Exactly. Thanks Nick, all very helpful.
The concerts have tended to be classical. But yes, asking directly is a good plan.

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