Incidental Music for Mass

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by musicus » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:44 pm

Benevenio wrote:
JW wrote:How are people celebrating the Messian centenary?

This is something to be considered. One his more approachable works for the uninitiated!

Here's a link to the sheet music. At £1.95, Durand are virtually giving it away - very unusual for a French publisher.
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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by Southern Comfort » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:00 pm

JW wrote:For fans of Taize music:
Another little improvisatory gem on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AVRtgmyqto&NR=1
and a scary organ improvisation from the same performer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7jHGluT5Y


Have to say that I wasn't very impressed by either of these. The second one mostly oscillated back and forth between quiet and loud. No real development of the material in either of them.

His piano technique is a little strange to watch. And when he uses it on the organ, it becomes clear that he's not really an organist either.

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by musicus » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 pm

Southern Comfort wrote:Have to say that I wasn't very impressed by either of these. The second one mostly oscillated back and forth between quiet and loud. No real development of the material in either of them.
His piano technique is a little strange to watch. And when he uses it on the organ, it becomes clear that he's not really an organist either.

I agree. I also thought the 'Watch and pray' improvisation was wildly inappropriate: not many disciples would have managed to sleep through his fortissimo passages. Some of the YouTube comments are way over the top, too. I wonder what they would have made of Wayne Marshall's Messiaen at the first night of the Proms - they would probably have died and gone to heaven. (Mind you, I thought he played it far too quickly.)
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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by Southern Comfort » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:39 am

Wayne plays everything too fast - a shame, because he is an ambassador for organ music and making a bit of a mess due to excessive speed is not the best way to be one. It could be due to nerves, or due to the fact that he thinks that playing faster than anyone else puts him on top (it doesn't). Or perhaps he needs to take medication to slow himself down before performing, as apparently some other great artistes do.

What a contrast with Olivier Latry on Monday.... (If you wanted to hear the RAH organ fortissimo-issimo-issimo, he probably outplayed them all.)

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by organist » Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:38 pm

Silly me getting RVW dates wrong! I am avoiding Messiaen - there is quite enough of his music about and it's really difficult to play and listen to.

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by JW » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:48 pm

Sunday 24

CH Trevor: Old English Organ Music, 6
Start: Voluntary in D, William Croft, (p.21)
Communion: Diapason Movement, George Green (p. 20)
End: Voluntary in G, Henry Heron, (p.4)

Sunday 25

CH Trevor: Organ Music for Manuals, Book 4
Start: Chorale "Allein Gott in der Hoh sei Her", Georg Michael Telemann, (p.16)
Communion: Communion, Cesar Franck, (p.21)
End: Postlude, Leon Boellmann, (p.27)

Sunday 26

Ann Marsden Thomas, A Graded Anthology, Book 3
Start, Prelude, Philip Moore (p.42)
Communion, Herzliebster Jesu, Was Hast Du Verbrochen, Helmut Walcha (p.44)
End, Meinem Jesum Lab Ich Nicht, Gottfried Kirchoff (p.26)
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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by asb » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:13 pm

JW wrote:Sunday 24

CH Trevor: Old English Organ Music, 6
Start: Voluntary in D, William Croft, (p.21)
Communion: Diapason Movement, George Green (p. 20)
End: Voluntary in A Minor, Anon, (p.7)

Sunday 25

CH Trevor: Organ Music for Manuals, Book 4
Start: Chorale "Allein Gott in der Hoh sei Her", Georg Michael Telemann, (p.16)
Communion: Communion, Cesar Franck, (p.21)
End: Postlude, Leon Boellmann, (p.27)

Sunday 26

Ann Marsden Thomas, A Graded Anthology, Book 3
Start, Prelude, Philip Moore (p.42)
Communion, Herzliebster Jesu, Was Hast Du Verbrochen, Helmut Walcha (p.44)
End, Meinem Jesum Lab Ich Nicht, Gottfried Kirchoff (p.26)




Will Sunday 24 not give way to the Exultation of The Cross this year?

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by docmattc » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:30 pm

asb wrote:Will Sunday 24 not give way to the Exultation of The Cross this year?


Yes it will. Sunday 31 will also give way to All Saints and Sunday 32 to the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica.

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by asb » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:58 pm

docmattc wrote:
asb wrote:Will Sunday 24 not give way to the Exultation of The Cross this year?


Yes it will. Sunday 31 will also give way to All Saints and Sunday 32 to the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica.


You've looked further ahead than me! 14 Sept is one of my favourite feasts. So glad it's a Sunday!

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by Peter » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:20 pm

docmattc wrote:Sunday 31 will also give way to All Saints and Sunday 32 to the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica.

In addition, those of us in Portsmouth Diocese also lose Sunday 33 to Edmund of Abingdon, giving us "white" Sundays for the whole of November, except the last one, which is the First Sunday of Advent and presumably not displaced by St Andrew, even in Scotland! :)

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by JW » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:46 pm

Thanks for the reminders about Feasts of Our Lord (& Lateran Basilica) replacing Sundays. Here are some suggestions for October:

Sunday 27 Start: Couperin, Benedictus from Messe des Paroisses Score: http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/couperin/Paroisses_Gouin/F.Couperin_Paroisses_18.pdf :
Listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiDa1L8XspQ
Communion: Largo, Michel Corrette, p.86 in Mayhew Short and Easy Organ Collection End: Boyce, Voluntary in G p.4 in OUP (ed. R Langley): Old English Organ Music, Book 4.

Sunday 28 From Ann Marsden Thomas, A Graded Anthology, Book 4
Start: Ciacona in D Minor, Pachalbel, (p.4)
Listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7E3bGOr9Ho&feature=related Communion: Verso, Manuel Coelho (p.2)
End: Prelude in A Minor, Georg Bohm (p.16)


Sunday 29
Start and End from Ann Marsden Thomas, A Graded Anthology, Book 4
Communion - 1st Movement of Stanley Op 7.5 for Communion
Start: Chorale: Herr Jesu Christ, Dich Zu Uns Wend, Georg Bohm (p.18) Communion: Diapason Movement, Voluntary 5.
Score here: http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/stanley/Op_7/Stanley_Voluntary_Op.7.5.pdf

End: All 'Offertorio, Zipoli
Score here: http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/zipoli/Zipoli_15.Toccata_Offertorio.pdf
Listen here:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wZl4MRy-8G0&feature=related

Sunday 30
Start: Telemann, Fugue No. 5 (p. 18 of CH Trevor, Progressive Organist, Book 1, published by Elkin)
Communion: Handel, Air from Water Music (in some Wedding Anthologies)
Listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKfjAOdkFdE
End: Handel, Hornpipe from Water Music (in most Wedding Anthologies)
Listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t6MMJVMQQQ&feature=related
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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by nazard » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:00 pm

I've just had a quick go at the Zipoli, it would be an excellent choice for someone who is a reasonable pianist and is trying to learn to pedal an organ.

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Post by manniemain » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:54 pm

presbyter wrote:
Who's the other famous Belgian then?


Poirot :lol:
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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by JW » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:32 pm

The final set of suggestions! Thanks for all the contributions which have made this a useful resource on the subject. Some of the topics discussed are dealt with in more depth in RSCM Handbook No. 9 "The Liturgical Use of the Organ Voluntary". A vast library of more advanced suggestions for the church's year, linked in with suitable hymns for the Sunday can be found here http://www.canticanova.com/pln_main.htm

2nd November (All Saints) Start Zipoli, Pastorale Sheet Music here http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/zipoli/Zipoli_16.Pastorale.pdf
listen http://npor.emma.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/NPaudio.cgi?Fn=FlashPlay&rec_index=N03023&Code=2&File=Zipoli+-+Pastorale.mp3&C=Domenico%20Zipoli%201688%20-%201726&T=Pastorale&P=1
Communion: Bach Chorale from Orgelbuchlein Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ Listen: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tD3n48JqQe4 Score here: http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/bach/Orgelbuechlein/Bach_Choral_BWV639.pdf
End: Handel Minuets from Royal Fireworks Music, can be found in some Wedding Anthologies: Listen: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EcOhGZR6QLE

Sunday 32 (Remembrance Sunday) (Dedication of Lateran Basilica)
Start: Chorale: "O Welt, Ich Muss Dich Lassen" Brahms (Novello Ed. of Brahms Chorales, p.10) Listen: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IpafJR0DljY Communion: Chorale: "O Wie Selig Seid Ihr Doch, Ihr Frommen" Brahms (Novello, p.18) Listen: http://www.virtuallybaroque.com/track544.htm
End: Nimrod Organ transcription here: http://www.electronicfiles.net/files/10359/Organ%20Music/Nimrod.pdf Listen here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=syCOst1jmqw

Sunday 33 Quite a bit of Stanly over the next fortnight.
The music for all the Stanley Voluntaries is here: http://icking-music-archive.org/ByComposer/Stanley.php
Start: John Stanley, Opus 6, Voluntary 4
Communion: John Stanley. Opus 7, Voluntary 1, 1st Movement
End: John Stanley, Opus 6, Voluntary 7

Sunday 34 (Christ The King)
Start: John Stanley, Opus 7, Voluntary 4
Communion: Freu dich sehr, O meine Seele, Op. 65, No. 5, Sigfried Karg Elert Listen: http://www.virtuallybaroque.com/track992.htm
Score : No 5 here: http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/e/ed/IMSLP05764-Karg-elert-65-1.pdf
End: Zipoli, Canzona in G Minor
Listen: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5nXI-sUjf2U
Score: http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/zipoli/Zipoli_11.Canzona_Gm.pdf

I will try to re-visit from time to time to check that the links are kept up to date. Meanwhile, in the words of Bach, may our playing be "In Praise of the Almighty's Will, And for my Neighbour's Greater Skill."
JW

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Re: Incidental Music for Mass

Post by Claire B » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:10 pm

Is JW thinking of providing an update to take us through to Lent....?

Many thanks for all the links.

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