Mass translation may be revised?

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John Ainslie
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Mass translation may be revised?

Post by John Ainslie » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:02 pm

The Tablet this weekend announces that Pope Francis has ordered a review of the guideleines on liturgical translations from Latin. Archbishop Arthur Roche will head a body of bishops 'from across the world'. It will look at the current rules (i.e. Liturgiam Authenticam) and also examine how much of the work can be decentralised.

For more press statements, see http://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/01/26/pope-francis-has-ordered-review-new-mass-translation-rules and http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/pope-orders-surprise-review-of-new-mass-translation.

For a more sceptical view, see http://irishcatholic.ie/article/fresh-mass-translation-'-long-shot'.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by High Peak » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:59 pm

The last link didn't work. Try this........ http://irishcatholic.ie/article/fresh-m ... t%E2%80%99

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by alan29 » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:31 pm

I think this is less to do with our English transliteration, and more to do with acknowledging the point blank refusal of some language groups bishops to be railroaded as ours were.
I fear we are stuck with what we've got.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by IncenseTom » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:37 pm

There's a massive universal solution staring everyone in the face.............

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by Gwyn » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:37 pm

There's a massive universal solution staring everyone in the face...

There is indeed I.T.. We can only hope and pray.
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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by VML » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:02 am

Please explain the solution. I'm a bit slow.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by contrabordun » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:53 pm

I fear he means that the solution to disagreements about the rules of translation is simply not to have any translations. :wink:
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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by IncenseTom » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:38 pm

Quite. We are meant to be a universal church after all.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by alan29 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:17 pm

Universally unable to worship in our own language?
I think not.
Bu that is not what the thread is about, is it?

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by JW » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:50 pm

Do we want an open or closed form of worship?
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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by IncenseTom » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:34 pm

Sorry, I know I'm being a tad mischievous. :wink:

Vernacular liturgy doesn't automatically mean that our worship is open, nor does Latin liturgy automatically mean our worship is closed.

I have experienced both in both.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by alan29 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:53 pm

Correct on both.
Time to accept where we are and move forward respecting different viewpoints.
We no longer have a monochrome liturgical style, its rainbow coloured with all sorts of combinations possible.
I personally spent many years singing Palestrina etc and plainsong in the setting of the mass in English in a cathedral choir it was wonderful.
I now play keyboard in a parish music group playing from guitar chords with the congregation singing their heads off.
That also is wonderful.
But this thread is specifically about re-visiting the criteria by which translations should be judged.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by Nick Baty » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:24 pm

IncenseTom wrote:...nor does Latin liturgy automatically mean our worship is closed.
Last time I responded on here I was immediately censored but, sorry Tom, yes it does. I don't speak Latin. So Latin worship is closed to me. But I'm an old git these days.... Not sure I have the desire to learn all these new-fangled ways. I trust the Lord understands Scouse.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by helen rees » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:32 pm

I have a feeling I may be being even more mischievous that Incense Tom but when will it be time to change the Latin to match our translation . I quite like the sound of Credimus in unum Deum parentum. Maybe I have to much time on my hands.

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Re: Mass translation may be revised?

Post by alan29 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:01 am

Can't change the Latin. Perish the thought.
Don't you know it was dictated by the Archangel Gabriel directly to St Gregory?
Why else is there such a fixation about mangling vernaculars to mirror it?

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