Here is a cantor!

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John Ainslie
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Here is a cantor!

Post by John Ainslie » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:35 am

During a service with Pope Francis at the Ground Zero Memorial in New York City, Cantor Azi Schwartz delivered a haunting rendition of the Jewish prayer to the fallen.

Here it is: https://youtu.be/EQ6QItyQnGY

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by Gwyn » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:37 am

Many if not all of the other Papal Liturgies during his American visit were musically toe-curling mainly due to the over-use of cantors:
* singing hymns via a microphone from the ambo even though a perfectly adequate choir is singing.
* singing every single Vesper psalm verse into an ambo mic even though a choir were singing the verses (possibly delightfully) from their stalls.
Painful.

Despite this the visit seems to have been well received.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by High Peak » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:17 pm

I was very uncomfortable with one person taking the both the ministry of cantor AND the ministry of animator. I just didn't look right with her singing the Missal Kyrie and then conducting the congregation for their part.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by alan29 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:05 pm

Its a shame that the bishop in that clip was unable to remain more centred.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by VML » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:20 pm

Oooops!
(Sorry oopsorganist, -not you).

We are very short of cantors in our parish, and I have frequently sung the psalm, as well as playing the organ for some of the Mass and/or hymns, and leading the singing, though not conducting.
Needs must.
At least that is all under the music ministry. It gets difficult when various instrumentalists leave their place to go and cover the children's liturgy, to read, or to be extraordinary ministers of Communion.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by High Peak » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:58 pm

In our parishes we can, indeed, be short of skilled, willing volunteers and many of us will have had to have multi-tasked. But I can't imagine that that was the situation for a Papal Mass! I really don't think it looked good; wrong combination of ministries.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by alan29 » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:49 am

High Peak wrote:In our parishes we can, indeed, be short of skilled, willing volunteers and many of us will have had to have multi-tasked. But I can't imagine that that was the situation for a Papal Mass! I really don't think it looked good; wrong combination of ministries.


I agree. That sort of thing reminds me of the sing-along at the end of the Good Old Days .... "All together now ......"
And it makes him/her too much the centre of attention.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by VML » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:57 am

True, true, both.

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Re: Here is a cantor!

Post by High Peak » Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:24 pm

alan29 wrote:.........That sort of thing reminds me of the sing-along at the end of the Good Old Days .... "All together now ......"
And it makes him/her too much the centre of attention.


My feeling exactly.

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