Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

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Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by JW » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:53 pm

It will not be permissible to use old-translation Mass settings and paraphrases after Pentecost Sunday 8th June: http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/Home/News/Implementing-Music. I wonder who prepared the 'Singing the Mass' document that goes with the news item and what criteria were used for the settings recommended in that document? I would have thought that the Duffy revised Gloria would be there, and the Walker Belmont Mass &/or revised Celtic Eucharistic Acclamations, and Liam Lawton's Glendalough Mass.

I suspect there are quite a few parishes and schools who will have an issue with this. How will compliance with the directive be monitored? Schools will have to comply pronto to pass RE inspections, but what will happen in parishes, I wonder?
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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by VML » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:53 pm

You mean there are schools that actually sing the Mass parts?! Here it is a hymn sandwich. Nothing to do with me..

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Nick Baty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:42 pm

Confused here. You mean it was permissible to use the old text all along?

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Southern Comfort » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:12 am

Nick Baty wrote:Confused here. You mean it was permissible to use the old text all along?


Yes. And there are a few parishes that have not changed their music settings, and say they will not change. Others have stopped singing altogether, which is one of the regrettable aspects of the revised translation of the Roman Missal.

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by JW » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:14 pm

VML wrote:You mean there are schools that actually sing the Mass parts?! Here it is a hymn sandwich. Nothing to do with me..


Regularly used to do the Peruvian Gloria at class masses when I taught Year 4 about 15 years ago. Happy days! I believe the school still sings the Gloria (was Anderson but I think they've gone on to mine) and Alleluia on Holy Days.

It's all very well but if dioceses don't provide proper training and support to parishes the outlook continues to be bleak for those who don't have musicians versed in the liturgy. Again, I don't see how this can possibly be properly policed; I've already heard a suggestion that parish musicians could prepare Missal Chants for any visiting bishop and revert to doing what they like for the rest of the year: reminds me of my days in Compliance where the objective was to get round any regulations imposed that local management disagreed with!
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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by HallamPhil » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:17 pm

Last week Hallam Diocese began a programme of 2 evening sessions in each deanery. Next week sees Part 2 workshops in Sheffield North, Barnsley and Rotherham Deaneries. Message me if you want to know further dates in the programme which ends in June.

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Fr Allen Morris » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:19 am

The Society has produced a couple of resources to assist with this next step in the introduction of the Missal translation.
They will appear on the Society's own site very shortly, but in the meantime they can be accessed at http://rcdow.org.uk/diocese/liturgy/news/singing/
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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by markyboy » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:19 pm

Perhaps at the same time the bishops will insist that priests use only the new translation, not pick and mix, or ignore it, as some do now. For the bishops to issue this musical directive now, without having ensured that their presbyteral brethren toe the line, is illogical. Personally I like the new translation, on the whole, and the return of so many scriptural references enriches the experience for me.

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Gwyn » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:41 pm

Personally I like the new translation, on the whole, and the return of so many scriptural references enriches the experience for me.

Absolutleigh!

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by alan29 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:31 pm

.... but those Collects. :?

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Nick Baty » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:37 pm

And the bits in between them :(

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by alan29 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:38 pm

I agree. Too much of it sounds like a 1970s record liner translation from Hungary ......... original in one hand, dictionary in the other. Oh hang on, that was their intention, wasn't it.
BTW there is a very disappointed diocese here at the moment. :(

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by Nick Baty » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:41 pm

Disappointed because you hoped to pass on a little something to a neighbour?

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by alan29 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:53 pm

Indeedy.

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Re: Bishops fix date for ending old music settings

Post by quaeritor » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:43 pm

Gwyn wrote:
Personally I like the new translation, on the whole, and the return of so many scriptural references enriches the experience for me.

Absolutleigh!

Abbotslutleigh? :?:
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