St John Bosco

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St John Bosco

Post by Peter Jones » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:22 pm

Bishop Williams and the Salesians are being criticised for dancing in Liverpool.......... but there doesn't appear to be rotational movement in the reliquary.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/01/liturgical-dance-not-dead-yet.html
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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Peter Jones » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:25 pm

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by alan29 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:06 pm

Its all a bit too post-modern for me ..... carting relics around and "dancing."

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Nick Baty » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:37 am

Couldn't John Bosco, John Vianney, Teresa (whichever one it was) and all the others have their body parts returned to their graves? How the Church can sanction it is beyond me.

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Post by Southern Comfort » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:11 am

Thérèse of Lisieux is actually in three sections.

Part of her travels throughout the year around mainland France. Another part does the international tour (I believe a part of one leg). The rest of her remains in the tomb underneath the altar in Lisieux.

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by alan29 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:39 am

Macabre and comical. There's a lot to be said for cremation.

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Post by Nick Baty » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:44 pm

Wish I could "like" Alan's comment, as on Facebook. I'll have to settle for abso-bleeping-lutely.

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Post by musicus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:40 pm

Agreed. I wonder if our distaste arises out of the decontextualising of these body parts. In particular, wresting them from their resting places (excuse the pun). When I have stood at Cuthbert's tomb in Durham Cathedral, or Edward's in Westminster Abbey, or (near) Peter's and Paul's in Rome, it is with a profound sense of being in a hallowed place. I'm not at all sure that digging them up and carrying them around would make any sense at all. And yet, people do flock to these exhibitions.

In former times, before relatively easy international transport links, taking relics to where the people were might have made some sort of sense. These days, we can surely take ourselves to them, if that is what we want.
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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Peter Jones » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:53 pm

Nick Baty wrote:abso-bleeping-lutely.


ooooooo - a tmesis. :)

To me, the dance appears to be, as it were, an unnecessary, para-liturgical tmesis, pushed in to separate Word and Eucharist and I cannot fathom its purpose. In my opinion, it would have been better as a part of the "prayer service" rather than the Mass.

Copious amounts of "this spray wipes out 99.9% of germs" were in use at St Chad's, as the reliquary was subject to frequent osculation.

The opportunity for confession was available throughout the visit at St Chad's - and presumably at the other venues too. That many people took that opportunity is heartening.
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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Peter Jones » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:56 pm

Southern Comfort wrote:Thérèse of Lisieux is actually in three sections.


So is John Bosco - a hand and part of an arm in the reliquary on tour here.
Another part is contained in a statue doing a world tour.
Most of him rests in Turin.
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Re: St John Bosco

Post by alan29 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:51 pm

Peter Jones wrote:
Southern Comfort wrote:Thérèse of Lisieux is actually in three sections.


So is John Bosco - a hand and part of an arm in the reliquary on tour here.
Another part is contained in a statue doing a world tour.
Most of him rests in Turin.


Strewth!

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Nick Baty » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:54 pm

We really should have listened to Martin Luther!

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by musicus » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:23 pm

Southern Comfort wrote:...Another part does the international tour (I believe a part of one leg)...

Ah! The international leg of her journey.
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Re: St John Bosco

Post by Nick Baty » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:30 pm

I was going to say that earlier.
And then I thought wondered, if it was international, would it be a leg?

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Re: St John Bosco

Post by alan29 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:42 am

Why do I keep hearing the theme tune from the Adams Family?

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