Southern Comfort wrote:...If the first meaning is the one intended. then lacking gorm (i.e. lacking someone seriously deprived in intelligence) would be a good thing. If the second, then this may mean that the Mass is boring.
It was the second meaning which I intended. The first I have never heard. It surprises me that anyone would shorten a word by dropping the suffix "less". I suggest that this usage is restricted to the gormless. The new mass is not so much boring as vacuous.This could, of course, be the reason that people find it easier to understand.
Southern Comfort wrote:I have heard very few people citing lack of gorm or anything else in the 1969 Missa Normativa as a reason for desisting from going to Mass, or even leaving the Church. I have, however, come across a multitude of people who stopped because of Humanae Vitae, or because they had a bad experience with an unsympathetic priest...
Our experiences differ. Although I have known a few people put off the church by Humanae Vitae most are put of by the banality of the new mass. To many people it just isn't worth getting your back off the bed for.
Southern Comfort wrote: or because they found the priest's way of presiding at a revised Order of Mass in a way similar to the way he celebrated the Tridentine Mass simply too tedious.
There were various faults in the way some priests said the tridentine mass. The most common ones were rushing, mumbling, and giving tedious, rambling or vacuous sermons. All these faults persist. New faults have crept in which I never saw in a tridentine mass: behaving like a game show compere making asides through the mass in the style of Graham Norton and inventing their own texts to replace those of the missal.
Southern Comfort wrote:We all need to put much more work into what we have today: coasting along on autopilot simply won't do.
Southern Comfort wrote:I would also say that the overwhelming majority embraced the revised Order of Mass, and the use of the vernacular, with great joy, and say they do not want to return to the previous régime under any circumstances.
I would say that although people grumbled about the introduction of English, they accepted it with resignation and obedience. It was the revised Order of Mass which really upset people. You are correct in your appraisal that people do not want to return to the staus quo ante. The church going population has adapted to the order of mass as offered. The problem is to come up with an order of mass and a way of implementing it which draws people in, and stops our teenagers leaving.
Peter Jones wrote:Southern Comfort wrote:............or because they found the priest's way of presiding at a revised Order of Mass in a way similar to the way he celebrated the Tridentine Mass simply too tedious........
Some years ago I did read an article on this. Many priests who were used to "putting on Christ" in the manner of the Pius V/1962 Missal, could no longer hide their personalities - including their insecurities and their "stage fright" - beneath their vestments. Many found the expectations of presiding difficult - and I have fond memories of a fairly-recently deceased colleague who never really mastered the skills of presiding with the Missal of Paul VI because he became a nervous wreck facing a church full of people.
How should a priest say the new mass?