Southern Comfort wrote:In a parish north of the border, a priest wears a cassock. Therefore all priests are assumed to wear cassocks. And, furthermore, it's the Catholic thing to do. I fear the words "your little world" are apt to rebound. The fact is that the vast majority of priests not only do not wear cassocks but do not even possess them.
I wouldn't know, since I don't make any of the assumptions that you have just stated. You would have to reword them to make them conform closely to what I have actually stated rather than parody and misrepresent what I have actually stated. Certainly, it is patently obvious that wearing a cassock is a Catholic thing to do, just as wearing a kilt is a Scottish thing to do, although neither are exclusively so. Neither you nor Nick Baty demonstrate any real intellectual connection with the point of the cassock example, for whatever reason.
Southern Comfort wrote:Some here think that everyone should have access to Latin, for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it's the Catholic thing to do. The problem is that there are large parts of the Catholic world where no one has had access to it for a considerable period of time, and wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it. Therefore having access to Latin would be meaningless.
In Scotland, a number of parishes have had no access to Latin for a considerable period of time. Were it to be reintroduced, as part of Scottish ecclesiastical heritage, I believe they would get on with it much as they have got on with the new translation, as long as it was reintroduced gradually. Music could play a helpful role in its reintroduction.
Southern Comfort wrote:And, as others have pointed out, Latin is not the only language in our liturgy; nor is Greek, come to that. Alleluia and Amen, to give only two examples, are neither Latin nor Greek, except by appropriation.
I fail to see any great import to the discussion of the use of Latin by the drawing of attention to such minutiae. There are a number of loanwords heard in the Latin liturgy which come from several other languages, eg, 'gladius' from Gaulish. It would be impractical to suggest a list of all this pedantic detail every time we assert that Latin is the fundamental language of the Roman rite. Likewise, it would usually contribute little but pedantry to draw our attention to the fact that the vernacular is not the only language in the modern translated liturgy every time we speak of it, merely on account of the retention of words such as alleluia and amen from the Latin text in the vernacular text.
Southern Comfort wrote:I wonder what the many Catholics around the world (think Eastern-rite Catholics) who have never had Latin as part of their culture would make of all this.
It's not their heritage, nor I am addressing them.
Southern Comfort wrote:The idea that Catholic culture is exclusively Western and Latin-based is merely another manifestation of a "little world".
Only if addressing the Society of Saint Gregory is a little world, its focus being on what happens in the British Isles, and its membership bearing not a little connection to that geographical area. However, the little world referred to by me here specifically is that of the character who fails to acknowledge general realities and posits realities which are parochial in attempts to derail any confirmation of general realities.
Southern Comfort wrote:I have heard the word "logic" used, when what is actually meant seems to be argumentative disputatiousness.
The case could be made that you have just been indulging in such yourself. And your quotable evidence for the alleged meaning of "logic" is? Because I can certainly go through the context of when it was used with you in order to demonstrate that your assertion is false.
Southern Comfort wrote:It's time to stop wasting bandwidth, folks, and move on to something more productive.
Prove it a waste of bandwidth, why don't you, and then say that. I'm afraid I have no other productive input to make on any other thread right now, whether more or less productive than this input. Perhaps you could propose something more productive, and then we can all judge for ourselves how productive that would be in comparison to this thread.