It's very clear from your last message that you're limited to thinking of the issue in terms of either-or.
Nick Baty wrote:I'm sure they are all good points, Nazard. Although I'm not sure about the "welcoming to strangers" bit as it is only welcoming if they themselves speak that particular language and we are all using it.
Can you pay attention to what is being said to you rather than what you imagine people to be saying to you? For the fourth time on this thread, no one is saying that all Catholics should be learning to hold a fluent conversation in Latin. We're talking about all Catholics learning the mass in Latin. The welcome to strangers would operate if all Catholics were capable of participating in the mass through Latin so that more or all of the liturgy could be said in Latin on account of any strangers who didn't speak the local language and who would feel more comfortable with the Latin than the local language because they too would be familiar with the mass in Latin.
Nick Baty wrote:But if Latin is to be fostered everywhere then many of us would be excluded from worship at the drop of a hat.
Could you explain that baffling assertion? And why at the drop of a hat?
Nick Baty wrote:But how much smaller might our own assembly become if we were to use Latin?
No smaller, if the same practice was occurring elsewhere, in which case no parishioner would have a refuge from it.
Nick Baty wrote:Well, the parish priest and I would be out for a start.
So how could you "enjoy singing ... heaps of the ordinaries from memory" if Latin is so inaccessible to you?
Nick Baty wrote:... I am not for a second suggesting we shouldn't have a Latin liturgy.
That's interesting but the point is that you don't have to have a Latin liturgy and, even if you do, it doesn't have to be every day or week.
Nick Baty wrote:But I will never accept, as a major argument, that we should foster it simply so the privileged few can attend Mass during their foreign jaunts.
No one suggested that the whole liturgy switch from vernacular to Latin on a regular basis "simply so" foreigners feel welcome, and nobody suggested the welcoming of foreigners as a major argument for the use of Latin. You gave the point that elevated status all on your own. "A" point is not simply "the" point because it is mentioned, Nick.
Nick Baty wrote:But the Church has also given us liturgy in the vernacular and, despite the recent mangling, many of us love it.
This statement clearly reflects this destructive post-Vatican II belief that any practice (such as the use of the vernacular) can be set above the unity of Catholics purely for love of the said practice.
Nick Baty wrote:Perhaps we dinosaurs will die off one day.
Leaving behind a generation of linguistically appreciative and/or tolerant individuals who can see value in the reasons for retaining Latin in the liturgy? I would like to see such an enlightened generation arise.
Nick Baty wrote:How nice to have a woman priest to see me home.
I tried looking for the number of the vicar of Dibley but all I could find was the BBC's.