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by Southern Comfort
Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:46 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform
Replies: 11
Views: 4994

Re: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform

I thought that the GIRM in english published by the bishops of England and Wales (Ble mae'r fersion cymraeg?) was our bishops' adapted version specially for us and was issued as a different document from Rome's original with the recognitio of the CDW. I assumed it was in english because, as it was ...
by Southern Comfort
Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:15 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform
Replies: 11
Views: 4994

Re: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform

It seems clear that what is in our GIRM in para 48 is in fact a mistake. This is certainly the view of the Liturgy Office. Compare the text with that imposed on other countries by Rome. Latin Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani (2002 revision): Adhiberi potest sive antiphona cum suo psalmo in Gradu...
by Southern Comfort
Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:35 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform
Replies: 11
Views: 4994

Re: On Entrance Antiphons - Reforming the Reform

The problem is, he's quoting Elaine Rendler who erroneously suggests that we should be singing the entrance antiphon itself. Actually, we shouldn't. We have discussed this quite recently, I think, so no need to go over the same old ground again. She also suggests that we don't have to sing all the v...
by Southern Comfort
Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:22 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion
Replies: 10
Views: 6466

Re: Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion

I apologise if it is considered impolite to resume old threads on this forum. Recently some official thinking on this topic was reported which differs from the conclusions reached here. There is no proper form for either the Extraordinary or Ordinary Minister to use in such a case. Those who cannot...
by Southern Comfort
Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:03 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Baptisms en masse
Replies: 4
Views: 5148

Re: Baptisms en masse

The Church does indeed continue to view immersion as the primary means of baptism, and the rite frequently refers to "baptismal washing" and asks that those responsible "ensure that this washing is not a mere purification rite but the sacrament of being joined to Christ". There w...
by Southern Comfort
Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:45 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: exsultet .. youtube ICEL etc
Replies: 13
Views: 4851

Re: exsultet .. youtube ICEL etc

This one[/url] is fairly close to the tune given in the missal, which is an apadtation of the chant tune for the Latin text. Because of this it suffers somewhat due to the different patterns of stress between English and Latin. If that's not the tune you've got I'll need some clues to identify it. ...
by Southern Comfort
Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:04 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mothering Sunday
Replies: 19
Views: 11324

Re: Mothering Sunday

I suppose we can take some small comfort that this is not the Mass that the Welsh martyrs shed their blood for, but rather a Bugnini Masonic cut-down. It most certainly is the Mass that the Welsh (and indeed all) martyrs shed their blood for, merely a different form of it. A significant proportion ...
by Southern Comfort
Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:23 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mothering Sunday
Replies: 19
Views: 11324

Re: Mothering Sunday

But I feel that Jesus, being a man, cannot be my mother... As far as I am aware, it is OK to use female imagery for God (see the new catechism). My favourite example of this is Bernadette Farrell's 'Everyday God'. Men can be maternal! Where would I found Bernadette's song? It's in the Restless is t...
by Southern Comfort
Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:48 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Associations and Styles of Music
Replies: 59
Views: 30484

Re: Associations and Styles of Music

Not justifying Merbecke - I was an organist in an Anglican Church for years, that setting is a trully uninspired bit of hackwork. I seem to remember a similar(ish) early C20th one that seemed to be modelled on it. Can't for the life of me remember the title or composer, though - they say that memor...
by Southern Comfort
Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:27 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Associations and Styles of Music
Replies: 59
Views: 30484

Re: Associations and Styles of Music

I don't see how one can possibly suggest that the proper antiphons etc are not servants of the liturgy. Because they are not always proper. And that's the crux of the matter. We know, from those who worked on them, that the antiphons in the Missal were only included so that the plainchant people co...
by Southern Comfort
Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:48 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Associations and Styles of Music
Replies: 59
Views: 30484

Re: Associations and Styles of Music

Dare I mention Psallite as a possible solution for those who want to follow what the Missal suggests in terms of form, and for those who find the Graduale too difficult or for whom Latin is not an option?
by Southern Comfort
Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:47 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Grail Psalm 119
Replies: 7
Views: 3271

Re: Grail Psalm 119

Yes I mean 118 Vulgate. "By flowing waters" suggests Verses 1,15,32,40,45,47,97,103,105,129, but the translation is NSRV which I'm not struck with. Ps 118 (current version) 1 They are happy whose life is blameless, who follow God's law! 15 I will ponder all your precepts and consider your...
by Southern Comfort
Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:14 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers
Replies: 22
Views: 9813

Re: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers

There are, of course, Eucharistic Prayers that contain no institution narrative. The Church considers them just as consecratory as those that do. IMO we need to get away from the superstitious "magic words" syndrome which has tended to transform the Eucharist from an action into a devotio...
by Southern Comfort
Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:42 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers
Replies: 22
Views: 9813

Re: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers

Has belief in the real Presence really declined or is it the case that we are more comfortable expressing our disbelief in public than we were pre Vat II? I don't think so. Rather, I think it has expanded, as we have come to realise, following Paul VI in Mysterium Fidei , that the Real Presence exi...
by Southern Comfort
Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:37 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers
Replies: 22
Views: 9813

Re: Genuflecting Extraordinary Ministers

BTW, I wonder what it means in the Catechism, where it says The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration ? (1377) I have no idea. Even Trent does not say this. The Catechism is, I am told, notorious among theologians for its inadequacies, but let's not go there. If yo...