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by Peter Jones
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:19 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.
Replies: 50
Views: 54876

Re: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.

Peter wrote:....... the Fraction Rite is described as "The Breaking of Bread" in some editions of the Missal .......


Peter - do you not know where this phrase originates?
by Peter Jones
Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:04 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.
Replies: 50
Views: 54876

Re: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.

"One bread, one Body" is a reference to the following section of the 'Eucharistic Prayer' in the Didache: Hmmmmmm - well I can see why you would suggest this but I think you might be on more firm ground with 1 Cor 10:17. (Which came first, 1 Corinthians or the Didache? Is Paul using the D...
by Peter Jones
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:48 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.
Replies: 50
Views: 54876

Re: Hymns that conflict with Catholic doctrine.

The thornier question is the use of the word wine , which has much less in the way of scriptural or liturgical precedent. We've been here before a few times, I think. These also reel with wine and stagger with strong drink; the priest and the prophet reel with strong drink, they are confused with w...
by Peter Jones
Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:53 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Is there a place for dance within Catholic Liturgy
Replies: 17
Views: 8334

Re: Is there a place for dance within Catholic Liturgy

.......... this is dance as an art-form ........... hmmmmm - OK - but I don't want to focus on an art form, let alone be side-tracked into idolatry by being so absorbed in the dance that it becomes, in itself, the object of worship. How might dance as an art form become dance as ritual prayer that ...
by Peter Jones
Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:45 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Is there a place for dance within Catholic Liturgy
Replies: 17
Views: 8334

Re: Is there a place for dance within Catholic Liturgy

alan29 wrote:Isn't it sometimes referred to as choreography?
Some might call it mummery.
by Peter Jones
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:56 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: St John Bosco
Replies: 18
Views: 7530

Re: St John Bosco

Southern Comfort wrote:Thérèse of Lisieux is actually in three sections.


So is John Bosco - a hand and part of an arm in the reliquary on tour here.
Another part is contained in a statue doing a world tour.
Most of him rests in Turin.
by Peter Jones
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:53 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: St John Bosco
Replies: 18
Views: 7530

Re: St John Bosco

abso-bleeping-lutely. ooooooo - a tmesis. To me, the dance appears to be, as it were, an unnecessary, para-liturgical tmesis, pushed in to separate Word and Eucharist and I cannot fathom its purpose. In my opinion, it would have been better as a part of the "prayer service" rather than th...
by Peter Jones
Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:22 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: St John Bosco
Replies: 18
Views: 7530

St John Bosco

Bishop Williams and the Salesians are being criticised for dancing in Liverpool.......... but there doesn't appear to be rotational movement in the reliquary.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/01/liturgical-dance-not-dead-yet.html
by Peter Jones
Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Ordo Queries
Replies: 46
Views: 19847

Re: Ordo Queries

Ash Wednesday to the following Saturday is always counted as week 4 (because of Lent 1 being week 1), regardless of the week being observed on the three days preceding Ash Wednesday. Anyone got a scan of Brother Choleric's reaction to the supposed simplicity of use of the Divine Office? (Let me see...
by Peter Jones
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:18 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: (M)any takers for the old Mass?
Replies: 21
Views: 10550

Re: (M)any takers for the old Mass?

Southern Comfort wrote:, etc, etc, before getting on to the Liturgy of the Eucharist....................


And after that, wasn't there a diminished Lauds? ( I have a copy of this rite somewhere - will look it up.)
by Peter Jones
Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:39 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Funeral Liturgies in Theory and in Practice
Replies: 30
Views: 26434

Re: Funeral Liturgies in Theory and in Practice

If there's going to be some sort of family remembrance before the final commendation, I pray that: 1. Whoever is going to deliver it does not attempt to preach. 2. Whoever is going to deliver it allows no elephants in the room. If the deceased was someone who in common parlance was of illegitimate b...
by Peter Jones
Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:11 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: When is the time for adoration and confession?.
Replies: 7
Views: 4130

Re: When is the time for adoration and confession?.

My recollection is that for quite along period from 1969 the hearing of confessions during Mass was actually prohibited. Unfortunately John Paul II reinstated it by recommending the practice in a letter whose name temporarily escapes me (I am on the road). Misericordia Dei - section 2 of the "...
by Peter Jones
Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:13 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: True engagement in the rite
Replies: 3
Views: 3077

Re: True engagement in the rite

When we engage fully with the Rite we are offered for the Ordination of Priests we are offered only Old Testament models of priesthood and precious little which speaks to the role of the priest today. I think you'll have to expand on that one a little Phil so I (we) can grasp what you're saying - n...
by Peter Jones
Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:09 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: True engagement in the rite
Replies: 3
Views: 3077

Re: True engagement in the rite

However when we engage with the Rite of Dedication of a Church we find a liturgy which focusses on the place of Eucharist, the altar, and neglects the ambo altogether. 50 years on our liturgy has yet to catch up with significant changes in thinking. ............... Hmmmmm. I can see, as it were, wh...