Society of Saint Gregory

I'm not sure why we have to keep going back and forth on these issues, when the facts are extremely clear. I’m sorry you find it so difficult to have people disagree with you, SC. Perhaps your work (whatever that might be) has kept you too much in the company of those who don’t. Nonetheless, this i...

In exploring the texts and chants for the Easter Dismissal with its alleluia this evening, eyebrows were raised at the chant given by the Commission for the first option, "Go forth, the Mass is ended, alleluia, alleluia." There is no quarrel to be had with the text, but the tone moves fro...

Perhaps we need to be clearer about the distinction between praxis and practice. Praxis, schmaxis. Your observation is telling, SC. The application of the concept of praxis to the liturgy is, I’m afraid, pernicious. It refers to the putting of theory into practice. The, liturgy, though, is essentia...

I referred to the private use of Marian prayers by the laity during celebration of the older form....... The word to emphasise there, NT, is private. John Ainslie has mentioned the public prayers after Low Mass. That some people prayed the Rosary during Mass is certainly a fact. Yet by no means all...

it is not long since the majority will have had some memory of the old form <snip> I was suggesting that including collectively spoken or sung Marian prayers in celebrations of the new form is a good example of the reform-in-continuity for which he argues, in that it brings forward a practice from ...

Well "perhaps" anything, but for obvious reasons it could only apply to people over the age of 50 and more likely 60. Seems to me much more likely that people like it because praying to Mary is something that Catholics do, and I doubt that the liturgical logic-or-otherwise ever really occ...

Southern Comfort wrote:

Gwyn wrote:Bugnini was good for something then?

For a heck of a lot, as a matter of fact. He has been vilified by people who have no facts but a lot of vitriol.

I do so love irony.

Perhaps many of the faithful like the practice because it connects them with the Marian prayers that I gather used to be said privately during the older form of the Mass; and those who denounce it seem to me to be amongst those who would emphasise the break from that form. Now that we are developing...

Gwyn wrote:

...the celebrating priest would have to be in a biretta, and all the women in mantillas.

Ah! Bliss.

I almost regret moving south (work, weather and Southwark aside).

What Bugnini was advocating was a formula such as "Let us ask the Virgin Mary and all the Saints to join their prayers to ours as we remember those who are sick / have died / etc...", rather than a separate prayer addressed to Our Lady. This seems to me to be a good solution to a liturgic...

I see no problem in asking Our Lady to add her support to the bidding prayers we have just addressed to the Father, particularly in a new element of the liturgy that introduces an element of extra-textual prayer. I once would have demurred, as a loyal protestant who wished to have nothing whatsoever...

Whoops - I was thinking patrimony again! Comes of still singing Anglican, I guess (perhaps that would come under FT's "para-liturgical celebration" ). It seems a very natural idea to me. On Sundays we celebrate the Risen Lord - tho' that's not to suggest their should be no representation o...

Well; that was a conversation-killer.

If true (which I doubt), the bureaucrats would be getting above themselves and the Diocesan Bishops abnegating their responsibility.

Peter Jones wrote:I sing it more dramatically than that.

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