Society of Saint Gregory

alan29 wrote:Some exchanges are better done by PMs, I think.

Tried that on a previous occasion, alan29. No response.

Besides which, most people think it reasonable that people be entitled to defend themselves in public from public attacks on their character.

You just don't get it, do you? I get that I am engaging in structured discussion of your points whereas you launch into put downs of the person who has engaged you in discussion. There is little point in debating with someone (a) who thinks he knows everything when in fact he doesn't, Please provid...

SC and CC clearly stand on opposite sides of a debate of whose existence I was blissfully unaware. It's not a debate in academic circles. It's only a debate for those ignorant of all the facts, or for the intransigent, and for those exposed to them. Academia has accepted for quite some time now tha...

quaeritor wrote:SC and CC clearly stand on opposite sides of a debate of whose existence I was blissfully unaware.

See the new thread, quaeritor.

I don't think it helps the debate to call people names. I don't think it helps the debate to say that I have called anyone names when I have not. Neither do I think it helps any debate to outline information concerning other people without naming them, which is what you are wont to do, so I would r...

See new thread "Mocqurray".

Just had my attention drawn to the accompaniment provided for Agnus XVIII (Latin). While this is on the whole quite nice, there is a very elementary error which unfortunately puts it out of court: the chord change on the "mun" of mundi instead of on the "di". If people are going...

As for 'compositional techniques of Gregorian chant', I would regard them as highly debatable, given that we know so little about their origins, even pace McKinnon, etc. If the experts cannot agree, what hope is there for lesser mortals? There's a lot that experts do in fact agree on regarding the ...

Obviously much has changed, though some at ICEL seem as ill-informed as me. Rough, isn't it? There are still too many people punting a way of doing it and passing that off as being the only historical set of possibilities. You wouldn't get away with such claims in the natural sciences. Mind you, ha...

And there are no dots in the ICEL settings! Only that awful doubling of noteheads. Try singing Sanctus XVIII (and ICEL Holy) without the dots and the quarter barlines (also Solesmes editing): it's more fluid and quite refreshing. Quite so. Yes, the tropes do show us phrasing but they don't necessar...

.... but surely, of all settings that one is designed to be sung without accompaniment. Why that one in particular? CC - unaccompanied because of its simplicity. And because it is plainsong - too many attempts at accompanying it end up bogging its fluidity down - was that English? Perfectly clear! ...

But the musical setting has double the notes on the second syllable as on the first, so it is unlikely that this setting will ever be commonly sung with the correct accentuation (I used to consider it odd in Latin). ... I'm using the Corpus Christi Watershed accompaniments but will not change chord...

.... but surely, of all settings that one is designed to be sung without accompaniment. Why that one in particular? Regardless, I suggested appropriate chordal movement on the organ as an aid to correct moderns who have learned this section of melody with incorrect verbal and musical stress, to hel...

The opening of the 'Holy, Holy' is evidence. The linguistic stresses are exactly the same in both Latin and English at this point. There is no 'different' English linguistic stress to be catered for here. The fact that some people instinctively want to stress both '-ctus' and '-ly' at that point me...

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