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by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:20 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mocqurray
Replies: 39
Views: 10393

Re: Mocqurray

alan29 wrote:Some exchanges are better done by PMs, I think.

Tried that on a previous occasion, alan29. No response.

Besides which, most people think it reasonable that people be entitled to defend themselves in public from public attacks on their character.
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:02 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mocqurray
Replies: 39
Views: 10393

Re: Mocqurray

You just don't get it, do you? I get that I am engaging in structured discussion of your points whereas you launch into put downs of the person who has engaged you in discussion. There is little point in debating with someone (a) who thinks he knows everything when in fact he doesn't, Please provid...
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:44 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mocqurray
Replies: 39
Views: 10393

Re: Mocqurray

SC and CC clearly stand on opposite sides of a debate of whose existence I was blissfully unaware. It's not a debate in academic circles. It's only a debate for those ignorant of all the facts, or for the intransigent, and for those exposed to them. Academia has accepted for quite some time now tha...
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:42 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants
Replies: 13
Views: 5981

Re: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants

quaeritor wrote:SC and CC clearly stand on opposite sides of a debate of whose existence I was blissfully unaware.

See the new thread, quaeritor.
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:52 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Mocqurray
Replies: 39
Views: 10393

Mocqurray

I don't think it helps the debate to call people names. I don't think it helps the debate to say that I have called anyone names when I have not. Neither do I think it helps any debate to outline information concerning other people without naming them, which is what you are wont to do, so I would r...
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:45 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants
Replies: 13
Views: 5981

Re: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants

See new thread "Mocqurray".
by Calum Cille
Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:25 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants
Replies: 13
Views: 5981

Re: Organ accompaniments for the ICEL Missal Chants

Just had my attention drawn to the accompaniment provided for Agnus XVIII (Latin). While this is on the whole quite nice, there is a very elementary error which unfortunately puts it out of court: the chord change on the "mun" of mundi instead of on the "di". If people are going...
by Calum Cille
Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:43 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

As for 'compositional techniques of Gregorian chant', I would regard them as highly debatable, given that we know so little about their origins, even pace McKinnon, etc. If the experts cannot agree, what hope is there for lesser mortals? There's a lot that experts do in fact agree on regarding the ...
by Calum Cille
Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:36 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

Obviously much has changed, though some at ICEL seem as ill-informed as me. Rough, isn't it? There are still too many people punting a way of doing it and passing that off as being the only historical set of possibilities. You wouldn't get away with such claims in the natural sciences. Mind you, ha...
by Calum Cille
Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:11 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

And there are no dots in the ICEL settings! Only that awful doubling of noteheads. Try singing Sanctus XVIII (and ICEL Holy) without the dots and the quarter barlines (also Solesmes editing): it's more fluid and quite refreshing. Quite so. Yes, the tropes do show us phrasing but they don't necessar...
by Calum Cille
Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:57 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

.... but surely, of all settings that one is designed to be sung without accompaniment. Why that one in particular? CC - unaccompanied because of its simplicity. And because it is plainsong - too many attempts at accompanying it end up bogging its fluidity down - was that English? Perfectly clear! ...
by Calum Cille
Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:08 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

But the musical setting has double the notes on the second syllable as on the first, so it is unlikely that this setting will ever be commonly sung with the correct accentuation (I used to consider it odd in Latin). ... I'm using the Corpus Christi Watershed accompaniments but will not change chord...
by Calum Cille
Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:09 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

.... but surely, of all settings that one is designed to be sung without accompaniment. Why that one in particular? Regardless, I suggested appropriate chordal movement on the organ as an aid to correct moderns who have learned this section of melody with incorrect verbal and musical stress, to hel...
by Calum Cille
Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:40 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Preface Missal Chant
Replies: 32
Views: 9050

Re: Preface Missal Chant

The opening of the 'Holy, Holy' is evidence. The linguistic stresses are exactly the same in both Latin and English at this point. There is no 'different' English linguistic stress to be catered for here. The fact that some people instinctively want to stress both '-ctus' and '-ly' at that point me...
by Calum Cille
Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:31 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Bumper Music & Liturgy
Replies: 28
Views: 8612

Re: Bumper Music & Liturgy

Gwyn wrote:... it's almost good.
:lol: