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by presbyter
Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:05 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: New texts - some practical points.
Replies: 53
Views: 14289

Re: New texts - some practical points.

I myself have found the article on the Sanctus in the current M & L helpful.
by presbyter
Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:33 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

What is its budget? What is it expected to do for that much? Who decides what it attempts to do? What is the order of priority of its various activities? How important are its activities relative to other calls on our money? On what basis are the answers to those questions determined, by whom and h...
by presbyter
Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:10 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Southern Comfort wrote:If the whole process comes to a standstill just because one person is on probably well-deserved leave.......


Begs the question as to why Martin is carrying the can for so many things alone and there has been no Secretary appointed.
by presbyter
Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:06 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Kevin Kelly on the new ICEL translation
Replies: 4
Views: 2738

Re: Kevin Kelly on the new ICEL translation

Yes, let's have a riot!!!!!! What a particularly tasteless, insensitive and uncalled for remark that is EP. Well over 20,000 people have turned out here to mourn the deaths of the three victims of murder and this city is in deep shock. The Tablet editorial is here. http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articl...
by presbyter
Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:33 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

On Pray Tell blog - 13th August In England and Wales, call-response settings of the memorial acclamations have been rejected by the E&W approval process on the grounds of undue repetition of the text. This cannot be true as a general policy of the Panel, surely. I sit here staring at Christopher...
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:27 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Nick Baty wrote:You've omitted the comma after "Kyrie"! :lol:


In which case I will appeal and cite the 1948 Missal (Imprimatur, Nihil Obstat Diocese of Leeds) as a precedent - so as to contribute to case law.
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:14 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

What next? Israeli Mass revised? I offer the Israeli Mass revised Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Kyrie eleison. Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Kyrie eleison. etc… Holy, Holy, Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God of hosts. Heaven and earth are full of your glory. Hosanna, hosanna in the highest. Bles...
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:38 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Nick Baty wrote:
I've been looking at one which has "Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, Lord God of hosts".


Presumably panel approved?

This one is panel approved too:

Holy, Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, Holy Lord, Holy Lord God of hosts......

Panel decisions seem as clear as mud.
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:25 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Nick Baty wrote: – do you, Presbyter, find the first example acceptable?


Not really a question of my judgement - no point in offering an opinion.
I have concrete proof of acceptance on my desk - a printed proof I have been reading. It's even got a Nihil Obstat.
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:12 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Sanctus submissions again.... If this is approved - as it has been - Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, Holy Lord God of hosts. Will this be....? Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, Lord God of hosts, Lord God of hosts. OK? One 'Lord' too many? Oh for some really clear guidance! Come on panel, you've had enough experience b...
by presbyter
Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:56 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Just out of interest, when did the comma creep into in Kyrie, eleison? I possess a 19th century altar Missal with comma present - and a 1948 Missal with comma absent. I know where I can view a 17th century Altar Missal to check for you but not in the next few days. The 1948 Missal received its Impr...
by presbyter
Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:45 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Sorry, P. Can't see that. Seems fairly straightforward: You are quoting GIRM 53/Guide 51. That is indeed straightforward. (Why the qualification "fairly"? You're being imprecise now.) Now look at Guide 52. It is written, to my mind, as an attempt to give clear information and distinct ins...
by presbyter
Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:58 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

But as it's the Panel, and therefore the Guide, you're talking about, surely it's fairly clear. To me, §52 in the Guide could be interpreted as - "GIRM says you can but the Bishops want nothing to do with this, so let's not mention it." Yet that is not what is being said. BTW - NT - you'r...
by presbyter
Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:42 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

Not quite with you, Presbyter. Although CTM is vague with the use of the word "normally", the guide for composers uses exactly the same words as GIRM: “it is sung either by everyone together, or by the people alternately with the choir, or by the choir alone”. "Normally" is a va...
by presbyter
Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:43 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: PANEL decisions
Replies: 768
Views: 139728

Re: PANEL decisions

If, like me, you see some ambiguity between GIRM 53; CTM 148; Guide for Composers 51 & 52..... I have it on good authority that composers can submit purely choral settings of the Glory to God to panel. Note also sections 19 through 21 of the Guide. I am not considering this form of composition m...