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by presbyter
Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:59 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

Gedackt flute wrote:My parish will be singing Haugen's 'All are welcome' in a few weeks time


Oh sigh - enough blogs about this text on the internet already. I've heard that an American Bishop has tried to excise it from the repertoire.
by presbyter
Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:49 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

(10) Fidelity to the rites and to the authentic texts of the Liturgy is a requirement of the Lex orandi, which must always be in conformity with the Lex credendi. VICESIMUS QUINTUS ANNUS 1988 John Paul II leads to… (108) Sung texts and liturgical hymns have a particular importance and efficacy. Esp...
by presbyter
Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:16 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

Calum Cille wrote:Hmm, there appear to be two "We are the Church" lyrics. The one I quoted is apparently by Sr. Paule Freeburg, DC, & Christopher Walker and has been criticised online.


Ah. Have I sown a seed of confusion? Apologies to CC if I have.

To which text do you refer GF ?
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:59 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

I am now wondering if Sr Delores is really an OSB or an OLA......that's Order of Laura Ashley.Hard to tell from her photos. (And here's "traditionalist" little me thinking that the religious habit of enclosed orders is something to do with being a sign of having "put on Christ". ...
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:31 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

From another blog discussing the Haugen text:

I really dont care what the lyrics are but I think the song sounds cool.
:shock:

To what extent do people take notice of the texts of hymns when they are singing them? Discuss!
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:57 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

Here's the Dufner in full......... and I openly confess that I don't know what it means. The last two verses seem, to me, to have more to do with the political philosophy of the Constitution of the USA rather than the Church. I suppose verse one reflects the OT kahal YHWH , NT ekklesia . The refrain...
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:08 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

By the way - the vetting of hymn texts is nothing new in the history of the Church. At the Council (Synod) of Laodicea (about A.D. 363), the Bishops were so fed up with poor quality and theologically inaccurate home-grown hymn texts, they banned the lot from the liturgy. Psalms became the order of t...
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:54 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: The 'We are the Church' texts
Replies: 41
Views: 14115

Re: The 'We are the Church' texts

We are the Church the Body of Christ We are the Church a people redeemed We are the Church anointed to serve God’s Holy People the People of God Not quite CC. This is the Walker text: We are the Church, happy to be, the children in God’s family. We are building the kingdom. [x2] Ev’ryone old and yo...
by presbyter
Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:51 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Published settings
Replies: 22
Views: 7220

Re: Published settings

Has anyone come across a copy of the old original People's Mass (before it became the "New" People's Mass)? I have a melody line card but not the full accompaniment. The new text would slot in with a few editorial adjustments. Given that the Bishops (Liturgy Office) are encouraging parish...
by presbyter
Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:50 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: New texts - some practical points.
Replies: 53
Views: 14268

Re: New texts - some practical points.

- perhaps Presbyter would like to comment. Lutheran feminism with a tendancy towards misandry? Thus the Hebrew rendering of the mysterious first name of God has been reduced to a stereotypical title of a male authority figure... YHWH...... spoken Adonai ......... from the Ugaritic root Adon meaning...
by presbyter
Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:32 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Offertories
Replies: 26
Views: 6451

Re: Offertories

I would refer you to our Bishops' guidelines - Celebrating the Mass - pages 73 onwards
by presbyter
Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:50 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: New texts - some practical points.
Replies: 53
Views: 14268

Re: New texts - some practical points.

Southern Comfort wrote:An informant has sent me the following link: http://www.catholic-pe.co.za/newmass.pdf


A bit out of date, surely SC. The Sanctus has the earlier ICEL proposal of "is the Lord". I bet "Christ has died" is excluded now, don't you think?
by presbyter
Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:23 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: New texts - some practical points.
Replies: 53
Views: 14268

Re: New texts - some practical points.

If you do not have a clue about what CC is saying..... and you feel like indulging in a nerd's approach to liturgy (what our transatlantic cousins call liturgics :roll: ) I thoroughly recommend -

Spinks B, The Sanctus in the Eucharistic Prayer, Cambridge University Press, 2002
by presbyter
Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:41 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Congratulations to Alan re Edinburgh
Replies: 8
Views: 2646

Congratulations to Alan re Edinburgh

Congratulations to our member alan from Malvern, who has made it, as it were, to the Edinburgh Fringe.

His Te Deum forms a part of Choral Matins on Sunday 21st August at St John's Episcopal Church, Princes Street.

http://www.thechoir.co.uk/#/music/4553354609
by presbyter
Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:36 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Laudate Supplement
Replies: 3
Views: 2180

Re: Laudate Supplement

However, the price of £1.50 suggests that this a 'words only' or 'words and melody line'. Where are you getting the music version from, or is it a closely guarded secret? It is indeed the pew edition - words and melody - that I have seen - and only because I was asked to help proof read some of it....