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by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:27 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

High Peak wrote:From where do PPs get feedback on how they are running things on a week-to-week basis?


The $64,000 question! As a fellow teacher I know that even when you receive feedback - whether from managers, peers or students - analysing and acting upon it is fraught with difficulties.
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:19 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

By the way, it's worth mentioning that the word 'abuse' has much stronger connotations in English than in Latin: paedophilia and rape were almost acceptable in Roman times, provided it was kept in family or done to slaves and others who weren't Roman citizens. Sorry, I am at a loss to know the poin...
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:12 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

Not much new in the instruction and I have no doubt that priests will continue to apply pastoral common sense. Whether or not the Pope approved it, he'll still go his only way. Most priests will, quite rightly IMHO, continue to exchange the sign of priests with bereaved families at funerals, and wi...
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:02 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

...the thin end of a wedge that can produce plausible arguments to reduce the Liturgy to a simple ceremony of the Word and Eucharist. After all accounts of the Last Supper do not seem to refer to processions, choirs and complex musical repertoire. Surely the Liturgy is a (nobly) simple ceremony of ...
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:56 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

As Pope Francis said in a mediation on 26 June, Jesus "wasn't a casuistic and moralistic Pharisee." That would be the day after the Holy Father said: In the Church there is no “do it yourself”, there are no “free agents”. w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audie...dienza-generale.html Cut...
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:34 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

As I said before, Francis simply doesn't have the time to spend on such a p*ddling matter. Seemingly you are fully cognisant of the Holy Father's daily commitments and therefore able to assert with confidence that 'Francis simply doesn't have the time to spend on such a p*ddling matter'. It is impl...
by BobHayes
Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:10 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

You think he even saw it? [...] The pope didn't sign it, nor endorse it. The text of the circular can be found in full here: m The circular states the need ' to definitively avoid abuses ' (Clause 6.c) and concludes: The Holy Father Pope Francis, on 7 June, 2014 approved and confirmed the contents ...
by BobHayes
Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:47 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

You may recall the 70s/80s TV chef Graham Kerr - the Galloping Gourmet . It was the priests' similar 'stage presence' that led me to make my 'judgemental' observations. One of them also felt the need to ad lib during the Mass and the Scripture readings and Intercessions of Morning and Evening Prayer...
by BobHayes
Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:51 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

Seeing a priest (as I have done several times) striding theatrically from the Sanctuary and shaking hands with various parishioners reminds me of the behaviour of 1970s game show hosts greeting their fans at the beginning of the show. The priest may believe it is a sign of 'inclusion', but it smack...
by BobHayes
Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:23 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

BobHayes wrote:... dispense with vestments, hymn books, sacred vessels, candlesticks, alter servers etc. and donate the money saved ...

That should of course be altar servers. :oops:
by BobHayes
Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:53 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

Seeing a priest (as I have done several times) striding theatrically from the Sanctuary and shaking hands with various parishioners reminds me of the behaviour of 1970s game show hosts greeting their fans at the beginning of the show. The priest may believe it is a sign of 'inclusion', but it smacks...
by BobHayes
Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:46 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Re: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

I look at all the internal issues the church has to tackle, and I look at the state of the world the church is meant to be serving; then I read this document .......... The difficulty - I suggest - with seeing aspects of the conduct of Liturgy ('abuses' as the circular describes them) as minor, in ...
by BobHayes
Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:30 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses
Replies: 37
Views: 14924

Pope Francis moves to suppress liturgical abuses

The Prey Tell blog reports steps are being taken to suppress liturgical abuses that have grown out of the sign of peace during Mass. Abuses singled-out included: a) The introduction of a “song for peace”, which is non-existent in the Roman Rite. b) The movement of the faithful from their places to e...
by BobHayes
Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:36 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Eucharistic Adoration
Replies: 17
Views: 8369

Re: Eucharistic Adoration

I am thinking of the general chatter....at the 'intervals' - Offertory Procession (and collection) and the distribution of the Eucharist - all too often are accompanied by general fidgeting and low-level chatter. I am referring to adults here! These are the third and fourth processions during Mass....
by BobHayes
Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:31 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Eucharistic Adoration
Replies: 17
Views: 8369

Re: Eucharistic Adoration

liturgyprof wrote:I suspect it was St John Southworth.
St Robert Southwell, now that would have been exceptional. I think we don't make enough of him.
Allen Morris


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