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by nazard
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:16 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

I think that you have a very valid point here. Fr Game-Show-Host has chosen disobedience rather than observance. However, obedience can be empty. It is possible to say the words without any meaning. It is possible to perform the gestures so trivially that they look as though the priest is embarrasse...
by nazard
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:06 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

Peter Jones wrote:...How about "fully and consciously acting in the person of Christ"?...


That must surely apply to all forms and rites of Holy Mass. Do you have any practical advice to priests about how to achieve that desirable end, and to the laity on how to recognise that the priest has achieved it?
by nazard
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:03 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

Although I have known a few people put off the church by Humanae Vitae most are put of by the banality of the new mass. Sorry, Nazard, but I'm afraid I have to say a "Poppycock" and say it very loudly. We seem to have different experiences. I have noted yours. The problem is to come up wi...
by nazard
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:20 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

...If the first meaning is the one intended. then lacking gorm (i.e. lacking someone seriously deprived in intelligence) would be a good thing. If the second, then this may mean that the Mass is boring. It was the second meaning which I intended. The first I have never heard. It surprises me that a...
by nazard
Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:54 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

Notice the word " sometimes " in your quote from Sacrosanctum Consilium. This word may well be used in the sense of " rarely ". The new translation was imposed in exactly the same way as the other changes since 1962. The return of the tridentine mass is the first morsel of choice...
by nazard
Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:27 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

Very few people have ever told me that they left because mass was in English.
by nazard
Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:13 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

You have hit on a serious problem here. It is a principle of experimentation that you only change one thing at a time, but the introduction of the New Mass was not considered to be an experiment. The church was conceited enough to think the the new mass was right first time. Well, pride was consider...
by nazard
Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:51 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium
Replies: 36
Views: 6187

Re: 50 (or more) years on - Sacrosanctum Concilium

Dialogue Mass was well established in the Black Country in the fifties. My parish was St Francis Xavier, Oldbury, but we also went to relations' parishes, St Hubert, Oldbury, the English Martyrs, Whiteheath, St Gregory, Bearwood, the Immaculate Conception, Edgbaston, and of course, St Chad's. I have...
by nazard
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:27 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Theology
Replies: 11
Views: 2683

Re: Theology

Humph! You have a rather gloomy view of God. I was always taught that God is everywhere, not out there. That includes within us. We have free will, so we can ignore Him, or even do the opposite of His will, but He will not abandon us. The idea of us being the Body of Christ is us joining together wi...
by nazard
Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:53 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Sunday Celebrations in the absence of a priest
Replies: 20
Views: 3993

Re: Sunday Celebrations in the absence of a priest

...If a priest walked by a bakery and (even inadvertently) muttered "This is my Body", was all the bread in the shop now consecrated? What does de defectibus say about this? Surely there would be a defective intent to say a valid mass? ...On A Sunday, I am sick in bed one hundred yards fr...
by nazard
Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:19 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Catholic periodicals
Replies: 37
Views: 6728

Re: Year of Faith

Nick, I think this is well off topic, but would you please explain what you mean by left and right wing in a catholic context? Perhaps you could start a new thread.
by nazard
Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:27 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Catholic periodicals
Replies: 37
Views: 6728

Re: Year of Faith

If we only have one intelligent and serious periodical then we are in trouble because that weekly could press its own viewpoint without any balancing contrary opinion. Remember that intelligence and benevolence, and indeed faith, are not as tightly linked as we might like them to be. There are plent...
by nazard
Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:19 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Catholic periodicals
Replies: 37
Views: 6728

Catholic periodicals

Southern Comfort wrote:The Tablet ... is the only serious, intelligent Catholic weekly out there...


We are in trouble!
by nazard
Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:17 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Malurgy
Replies: 136
Views: 17618

Re: Malurgy

I have thought of kneeling, but where our pp stands he has his toes right on the edge of the sanctuary step. It would be interesting to see how high he jumped, but it may not contribute to the sense of awe of receiving communion...
by nazard
Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:10 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Malurgy
Replies: 136
Views: 17618

Re: Malurgy

Mea culpa, I always thought that the new testament followed on from the old, and that its books were considered canonical. I stand corrected.