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by Southern Comfort
Tue May 06, 2008 9:15 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

Given that choir-only pieces during Communion ought to be discarded in favour of Communion psalms and songs with refrains for the assembly, Blimey, where does it say that then? There's a danger of being a bit too dogmatic on these things, isn't there? Well, presbyter has produced the documents. Mor...
by Southern Comfort
Sat May 03, 2008 3:20 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Hymn book BearTraps
Replies: 23
Views: 4391

Re: Hymn book BearTraps

Laudate has literally thousands of misprints, which include many discrepancies between accompaniment and pew editions. The most annoying thing about the myriad of misprints in the accompaniment books is that many parish musicians who aren't familiar with the original editions of these pieces are lea...
by Southern Comfort
Sat May 03, 2008 3:14 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

Given that choir-only pieces during Communion ought to be discarded in favour of Communion psalms and songs with refrains for the assembly, the best place for using all the settings of Ave verum, etc, that choirs like to do is during the presentation of the gifts.
by Southern Comfort
Fri May 02, 2008 11:03 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Girls and boys
Replies: 6
Views: 1431

Re: Girls and boys

I wonder if Musicus has now found the two posts he split off to form the new thread? My recollection is that there was some very interesting stuff there. Don't recall any flaming, simply disagreement as to whether forming boys' choirs was the best way to promote the singing of the assembly.
by Southern Comfort
Fri May 02, 2008 10:58 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

Our bishops did not obtain Rome's agreement. The version of GIRM that we have now was imposed on us by Rome. It arrived, with instructions for it to be promulgated. This is now the Roman way, and they have done the same with other countries. You submit a text for recognitio and sometime later you r...
by Southern Comfort
Fri May 02, 2008 10:48 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Sung Masses
Replies: 33
Views: 5129

Re: Sung Masses

4) Do not ignore the possibility of singing the 'Our Father'. In my parish we do so to the Rimsky-Korsakov tone, unaccompanied by organ, with the choir providing the harmony - and have done so for some time. Now the whole congregation joins in, and it is a wonderful uplifting sound. Singing it forc...
by Southern Comfort
Fri May 02, 2008 10:23 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

mcb wrote:So when does the low Mass with hymns date from? Not after the Council, surely?


In Germany, the Betsingmesse [= "Prayer-sing-Mass" or Low Mass with hymns] goes back to 1922, but has its antecedents in 18th-century Germany (documented from the 1770s onwards).
by Southern Comfort
Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:31 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

JW wrote:3) Hymns were not generally sung at Mass before Vatican II - they were reserved for Benediction and other devotions.


With some exceptions. In Germany, the Betsingmesse, with chorales inserted in the liturgy, has been in constant use since the 16th century.
by Southern Comfort
Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:00 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

'By flowing waters', seems to have semi-official approval of the US Bishops. Psallite does not, but uses (mainly) approved translations. (Grail & NRSV). The hymn 'Safe in the shadow of the Lord' (Dudley-Smith), appears in the UK Bishops' evening prayer book, which would again indicate some sort...
by Southern Comfort
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:46 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

The US bishops put in clauses allowing hymns, Rome agreed, and they issued their GIRM. Ours made a few little edits, did not allow hymns, and obtained Rome's agreement and issued it. The obvious conclusion is that our own bishops would like us to stop substituting hymns for the proper antiphons, bu...
by Southern Comfort
Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:47 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Sung Masses
Replies: 33
Views: 5129

Re: Sung Masses

'Insincere' is the wrong word too; at least, you could argue that it's no great part of the celebrant's role to communicate the sincerity of the greetings, blessings etc. uttered by him - as if sincerity was his to impart or withhold. Something that has been reasserted by the post-Vatican II liturg...
by Southern Comfort
Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:37 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Status of Hymns at Mass
Replies: 50
Views: 8042

Re: Status of Hymns at Mass

Have a look at the Psallite project (http://www.magnificatmusic.com) which provides antiphons + psalms for the entire 3-year cycle.
by Southern Comfort
Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:42 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Sung Masses
Replies: 33
Views: 5129

Re: Sung Masses

Maybe the Orthodox have it right with so much singing? Having everything sung is all right if you are coming from a position of thinking that singing adds a sense of mystery or solemnity, as the Orthodox do. However, there are other considerations. Music highlights what it touches. If you sing ever...
by Southern Comfort
Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:32 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Changes in Oz
Replies: 8
Views: 1473

Re: Changes in Oz

I think genuflections are an excellent idea but I do have problems with tabernacles behind altars. I genuflect once and after that ignore it when crossing the sanctuary. The Ceremonial of Bishops states (para 71) that you genuflect as you arrive and as you leave, but otherwise not; so you're right ...
by Southern Comfort
Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:44 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Changes in Oz
Replies: 8
Views: 1473

Re: Changes in Oz

These are the same changes which were recently introduced in the USA. In both Oz and the States, the previous practice was to stand after completing saying the "May the Lord receive the sacrifice at your hands..." response. Rome decided that they preferred our way of doing it, and is now i...