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by Tom_Neal
Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:56 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Rather Early Sacred Music
Replies: 2
Views: 2004

Re: Rather Early Sacred Music

If this is still available, I'd be delighted to take it off your hands! :)
by Tom_Neal
Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:35 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Participation in the Liturgy
Replies: 8
Views: 4626

Re: Participation in the Liturgy

Now, here Tom, is a point - a point for those parishes who condone the kind of gatecrashing of parish pastoral liturgies for the inclusion of children that quite likely , they will never see again. Children whose families will take away not a participation in the Mass but a participation in a theat...
by Tom_Neal
Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:50 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Sir James MacMillan
Replies: 3
Views: 3153

Re: Sir James MacMillan

This really is wonderful news! James MacMillan is surely the greatest advocate of Catholic liturgical music in the UK today. Congratulations, Sir James! :)
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:25 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music
Replies: 33
Views: 15509

Re: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music

oopsorganist wrote:Ah,
Blessed Tom
get ye to Summer School, free places still available. Meet real people and be argumentative. Ah, Blessed Tom. :wink:

Haha! Alas, oopsorganist, I can't; I'm at another conference that week. Maybe next year? :)
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:51 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music
Replies: 33
Views: 15509

Re: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music

John, maybe you could explain to everyone why you've posted those links above? Looking forward to hearing from you :)
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:50 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015
Replies: 36
Views: 15084

Re: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015

Do we judge composers just on their beliefs, or on the extent to which they practice Christian charity in their lives? (It's a rhetorical question, please don't answer it.) Answer this one, though: do you conscientiously forswear the music of Vaughan Williams, and do you feel that the Church is wel...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:29 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Fascinating interview with Cardinal Sarah
Replies: 1
Views: 2288

Fascinating interview with Cardinal Sarah

The interview appeared in the 12th June 2015 edition of L’Osservatore Romano . In the interview, Cardinal Robert Sarah, who was appointed prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship by Pope Francis last year, called for a more faithful implementation of the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution o...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:05 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015
Replies: 36
Views: 15084

Re: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015

Sorry, but I find these comments utterly absurd. Are you familiar with either piece that John proposed? Would you categorise either as 'pop' or 'rock', and if so which? If you're not familiar with either piece I'd respectfully suggest that you don't pass comment on them. I'm sorry, mcb , that you f...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:47 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015
Replies: 36
Views: 15084

Re: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015

P.S. To be absolutely clear, I have never denied the possibility that some religious 'pop' music might, for some people, support their Catholic faith–––like looking at paintings and statues, or reading devotional literature. What I do deny is that this music has a place in the sacred liturgy. By the...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:35 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015
Replies: 36
Views: 15084

Re: Robert Cardinal Sarah's message to 'Sacra Liturgia' 2015

Without going into detail, John, here are just two of the many, many reasons that music like the items you identified above are completely unsuitable for the liturgy... On the one hand, there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense ( populus ). It is a...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:28 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Participation in the Liturgy
Replies: 8
Views: 4626

Re: Participation in the Liturgy

Of course, external actions—reading, singing, the bringing up of the gifts—can be distributed in a sensible way. By the same token, participation in the Liturgy of the Word (reading, singing) is to be distinguished from the sacramental celebration proper. We should be clearly aware that external ac...
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:24 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Participation in the Liturgy
Replies: 8
Views: 4626

Re: Participation in the Liturgy

alan29 wrote:It does nothing for the peace and unity of the church for which Christ prayed.


Do you really mean to say that a unified liturgical practice, resulting from true adherence to Catholic tradition, would do nothing for the unity of the Church? ;)
by Tom_Neal
Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:22 pm
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Participation in the Liturgy
Replies: 8
Views: 4626

Re: Participation in the Liturgy

In haste, John... (I'll respond in more depth after the weekend) Wherever an exaggerated concept of "community" predominates, a concept which is (as we have already seen) completely unrealistic precisely in a highly mobile society such as ours, there only the priest and the congregation ca...
by Tom_Neal
Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:29 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music
Replies: 33
Views: 15509

Re: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music

I think most of their music fits well in the context of what are sometimes called "renewal" gatherings (for which, I suspect, most of them were really written), I don't think it is appropriate for the solemn and sacred liturgy which the Mass is. Maybe it's pastoral music, but not necessar...
by Tom_Neal
Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:22 am
Forum: Liturgy Matters
Topic: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music
Replies: 33
Views: 15509

Re: Pastoral liturgy and pastoral music

Let me get this right, mcb . You're saying that liturgical music is "pastoral" in so far as it is popular, and for as long as it remains so. Is that a fair summary of your view? No, as paraphrase and précis goes, this is not an accurate representation. I said "each individual item a ...